question about Dr. martin shwartz "Stutter no more" book

[202]

You can read the book free online at www.stuttering.com

Ok, in one of the sections it talks about the possiblity of stuttering being cured PERMANENTLY by use of a certain shot.It said the shot does something to your throat, making it impossible to stutter.It said there researching it.Does anyone know anything about that? Is it going to be released anytime soon?

PS: Please dont say "theres no magic cure".I stutter so bad i have no life, and little hopes like these are all that keeps me going

[202]

i forgot to mention the part about that is in chapter 16

[jak]

well I went to the shwartz course which was like 3 thousand dollars then ,I went ther for 2 days to a group session ,he has this techinque wher you inhale then speak as you exhale ,it did not help me at all and is not worth the money ,I found it hard to use while speaking no matter how much I would pratice it ,then when you fail he blames it on the fact you did not practice enough ,I dont know about the shot but I would look for help elswhere

[202]

well i was actually asking about the shot, not airflow(the inhale-exhale fluency technique).I took airflow for about 7 years and it proves extremely ineffective in actual speaking situations. Anyways, does anyone know about the shot?

[andrewg818]

The shot, I believe, never worked out -- because of funding, risks, etc;-- the idea as I understand it--was to relax the vocal cords so much/nearly paralyzing them--making it impossible to stutter..the long term implications and much else reportedly got in the way-- Schwartz, himself, could tell you more--call him !

[Roley]

I think the shot "cure" approaches quackery.

[Adrian]

well I went to the shwartz course which was like 3 thousand dollars then ,I went ther for 2 days to a group session ,he has this techinque wher you inhale then speak as you exhale ,it did not help me at all and is not worth the money ,I found it hard to use while speaking no matter how much I would pratice it ,then when you fail he blames it on the fact you did not practice enough ,I dont know about the shot but I would look for help elswhere

Ditto, the program was a waste of time and he did tell my father it was my fault I still stuttered. That was great for our father/son relationship before my father died. :(

[happy7117]

I stutter so bad i have no life, and little hopes like these are all that keeps me going

In all seriousness, my stutter is making my life a living hell. No money for an aid, people not understanding me, angry every day, stupid remarks like "slow down".

Avoidance.

I've heard that "slow down" crap too many times already. Don't they know it's not that easy!

[happy7117]

well I went to the shwartz course which was like 3 thousand dollars then ,I went ther for 2 days to a group session ,he has this techinque wher you inhale then speak as you exhale ,it did not help me at all and is not worth the money ,I found it hard to use while speaking no matter how much I would pratice it ,then when you fail he blames it on the fact you did not practice enough ,I dont know about the shot but I would look for help elswhere

Inhale and speak--that's a joke! I never went to his course. I tried a device 4 yrs. ago when I took out a loan from Schwartz, he said it would only work if I used his exale speak method. Tried his exhale speak method-I still stuttered alot.

As a result the device did not work for me.

Yeah- he blamed me as well when I still stuttered while trying to use the technique.

He said the reason I still stuttered was because I was not using his technique right.

I agree-the technique is nearly impossible to use while speaking.

[happy7117]

well i was actually asking about the shot, not airflow(the inhale-exhale fluency technique).I took airflow for about 7 years and it proves extremely ineffective in actual speaking situations. Anyways, does anyone know about the shot?

The person to be shot is Schwartz..!

[happy7117]

Ditto, the program was a waste of time and he did tell my father it was my fault I still stuttered. That was great for our father/son relationship before my father died. :(

Schwartz has some nerve to say that to your father. Could he be any more cruel to a person??

[andrewg818]

To clarify, the Schwartz airflow method is not "to exhale." It is commonly misunderstood, perhaps, because of how teaches?!!?
But, anyway, all human beings exhale when they speak. It is close to impossible to speak while inhaling...or, at the very least, majorly unnatural [try it now- -INHALE and try to speak WHILE breathing in!-- I can't do that, can you ?]

anyhow, airflow has little to do with monitoring anyone's breathing.. It may be poorly named. It has to do with INTENDING to rest prior to speaking...Schwartz has students of airflow [not the FE]-- get an old tape recorder from RAdio Shack--w/ a windscreenless mic--- they breathe normally into it.. When you play back the tape, your breath creates a very distinct/ocean breeze like noise-- He calls "flutter"-- Then, you intend to SPEAK--and you see that flutter goes away.. It's right there on tape; It is indisputable evidence...
When flutter is present [plus slow start], it is physically impossible to block anywhere in your sentence.. flutter must occur each time you take a natural breath out of necessity, before you begin speaking. .so the "trick" is to intend to REST instead of intending to speak.. That gets flutter going--and once you are fluttering, you can speak fine.. You begin speaking--as an afterthought-- It's all about the PRESPEECH posture of your vocal cords-- It's like getting set to REST -- instead of getting set to run a marathon, your leg muscles would tense up differently, right?
--then, the first syllable is spoken as though it were the only syllable you would say--to get off to an easy start w/ only a gradual increase in muscle tension used..
Is this EASY? Nope! Not for most people! Even in practice exercises, students of airflow practice reading a few words at a time into the tape recorder..looking to achieve flutter- For a while, you'll see--that when you think you are airflowing, you're not-- there is no flutter- IT takes practice--a couple of weeks, often-- jsut to be able to sit at home and read an article into the tape recorder--producing accurate flutter plus a slow start each time..
IT takes months--to go out and do it consistently in the real world... SO-- yes, of course, if one goes out and says "Ok, I'll try this-- here comes a difficult situation"-- They are likely to stutter ,get frustrated, and give up on the technique-- That makes perfect sense.. but, did that person master reading w/ techique ? monologuing w/ techinque? and a series of exercises FIRST? Probably not.. and if you can't be consistent w/ technique at home--alone in a room, of course--you wont be in a real-life speaking situation.... You are attempting to undo decades' worth of behavior you've done millions of times--by introducing a NEW behavior --that, at first, might require great concentration but that eventually becomes automatic.. IT is important to resist the temptation to attempt to play at Carnegie HAll when you haven't yet mastered chopsticks at home..
That said, his NEWER program-- which combines a DAF device w/ only the slow start and some other stuff is A LOT faster and eaiser to learn--w/ less room for error.

[202]

The shot, I believe, never worked out -- because of funding, risks, etc;-- the idea as I understand it--was to relax the vocal cords so much/nearly paralyzing them--making it impossible to stutter..the long term implications and much else reportedly got in the way-- Schwartz, himself, could tell you more--call him !

dammit..... what are all these idiot doctors working on anyways?? they should stop working on stupid crap like cures to colds or fevers and work on making that shot! I HIGHLY doubt they know how horrible and life destroying stuttering is. The shot sounded simple enough i think it would only take a year or so to develop.WHY WONT THOSE MORONS DEVELOP THE SHOT?! They can basically put an end to stuttering forever with a shot like that

[andrewg818]

Because paralyzing the vocal cords is, uh, a bit dangerous ; D-- and you can stop stutteirng w/OUT any shot : )

[jak]

was he going to shoot the vocal cords with botox like they do on wrinkles ?

[nate]

u would allow someone to inject your neck???!!!!
r u fucking kidding me???!!!
Nate

[nate]

I wonder y people would want to do these kind of things to themselves. Take a shot in your NECK???!!! Give me, a fucking, break!!!!
Either u r weak willed, or pathetic or insane. There is no MAGIC cure!
So u had a streesful day because u stutter, big deal, the world had a stressful day. Its called LIFE! Deal with it.
As for not having a life, LIGHTEN up! I dont have to be a fucking genius to know that a shot in the neck could cause SERIOUS PERMANENT DAMAGE! U'd have to take it at least everyday so your NECK would be sore, or worse it might get totally PARALYSED. Talk about stressfull, Forget talking, try eating or breathing with a paralysed throat. Now that is STRESSFULL!!!:mad:

[202]

I wonder y people would want to do these kind of things to themselves. Take a shot in your NECK???!!! Give me, a fucking, break!!!!
Either u r weak willed, or pathetic or insane. There is no MAGIC cure!
So u had a streesful day because u stutter, big deal, the world had a stressful day. Its called LIFE! Deal with it.
As for not having a life, LIGHTEN up! I dont have to be a fucking genius to know that a shot in the neck could cause SERIOUS PERMANENT DAMAGE! U'd have to take it at least everyday so your NECK would be sore, or worse it might get totally PARALYSED. Talk about stressfull, Forget talking, try eating or breathing with a paralysed throat. Now that is STRESSFULL!!!:mad:



FUCK YOU your probably one of those self proclaimed "stutterers" that actually dont stutter at all and only have a bit of trouble with a single word.Your such a fucking little douchebag WTF is wrong with you? This forum is for STUTTERERS which means you dont belong here.Know something else? I would take a shot to the neck in in a heartbeat if they developed it.This isnt the '50s anymore, bud.Technology has advanced so far.Second, do you even realize what your talking about? They dont "shoot you in the neck with a gun" like what your trying to say, no, they inject a chemical compound in a certain part of your vocal cords to prevent stuttering forever. And how dare you say im "pathetic, weak willed, or insane"(in laughable kindergarden typing, i might add) you have no idea what real bad stutterers go through on a daily bases. get the fuck out of here

[nate]

FUCK YOU your probably one of those self proclaimed "stutterers" that actually dont stutter at all and only have a bit of trouble with a single word.Your such a fucking little douchebag WTF is wrong with you? This forum is for STUTTERERS which means you dont belong here.Know something else? I would take a shot to the neck in in a heartbeat if they developed it.This isnt the '50s anymore, bud.Technology has advanced so far.Second, do you even realize what your talking about? They dont "shoot you in the neck with a gun" like what your trying to say, no, they inject a chemical compound in a certain part of your vocal cords to prevent stuttering forever. And how dare you say im "pathetic, weak willed, or insane"(in laughable kindergarden typing, i might add) you have no idea what real bad stutterers go through on a daily bases. get the fuck out of here

202 Sorry.
Not to get into a free for all insult fest here, this forum is for stutterers and I guess everyone has a right to want to get "INJECTED IN THE NECK coz THATS WHERE THE VOCAL CHORDS ARE" its really none of my business.
Let me be abit less cantenkerous. Since the beginning of time pws's have allowed all sorts of shit to be done to them just for fluent speech. Cut out tonsils, frenum, triangles in the back of the tongue or whatever. We were so gullible. And we obviously still are. I'm just saying when will it stop? When will we all just realise that it doesnt have to matter that much? I dont know how bad your speech is but mine is constantly rated as severe to profound. Thats y I post here so much. I can talk here. And Argue:D
As for any shot in the neck, thats how researchers make make money. They take desperate people like us and get our money to fund researches that are just not feasible. Look at a diabetics wounds of injection, and they rotate those areas. For us theres only one place -THE NECK!:eek:
I didnt mean to piss u off, but there are alot of people including u who come here for real answers and I just gave u one. its only my opinion though. And I still think anyone who would take an injection in the neck when there are so many other less bizarre ways to improve your speech is 2 bob short of a dollar:D

[nate]

oh yeah and people actually DIE from colds and fevers. THATS Y THEY WASTE THEIR TIME ON THAT.
WTF?
Nathaniel.

[Power of three]

FUCK YOU your probably one of those self proclaimed "stutterers" that actually dont stutter at all and only have a bit of trouble with a single word.Your such a fucking little douchebag WTF is wrong with you? This forum is for STUTTERERS which means you dont belong here.Know something else? I would take a shot to the neck in in a heartbeat if they developed it.This isnt the '50s anymore, bud.Technology has advanced so far.Second, do you even realize what your talking about? They dont "shoot you in the neck with a gun" like what your trying to say, no, they inject a chemical compound in a certain part of your vocal cords to prevent stuttering forever. And how dare you say im "pathetic, weak willed, or insane"(in laughable kindergarden typing, i might add) you have no idea what real bad stutterers go through on a daily bases. get the fuck out of here


My goodness 202, have you been on an overreaction course or something?

Nate just gave his opinion, as we are all entitled to, and IMHO you totally overreact.

I reckon a little bit of humble pie is in order.

[202]

202 Sorry.
Not to get into a free for all insult fest here, this forum is for stutterers and I guess everyone has a right to want to get "INJECTED IN THE NECK coz THATS WHERE THE VOCAL CHORDS ARE" its really none of my business.
Let me be abit less cantenkerous. Since the beginning of time pws's have allowed all sorts of shit to be done to them just for fluent speech. Cut out tonsils, frenum, triangles in the back of the tongue or whatever. We were so gullible. And we obviously still are. I'm just saying when will it stop? When will we all just realise that it doesnt have to matter that much? I dont know how bad your speech is but mine is constantly rated as severe to profound. Thats y I post here so much. I can talk here. And Argue:D
As for any shot in the neck, thats how researchers make make money. They take desperate people like us and get our money to fund researches that are just not feasible. Look at a diabetics wounds of injection, and they rotate those areas. For us theres only one place -THE NECK!:eek:
I didnt mean to piss u off, but there are alot of people including u who come here for real answers and I just gave u one. its only my opinion though. And I still think anyone who would take an injection in the neck when there are so many other less bizarre ways to improve your speech is 2 bob short of a dollar:D


yeah thats right, thats your OPINION.It is NOT fact.That is YOUR OPINION. You do not know who wants to rip people off and who wants to really help people.Don't try to judge everyone just because some qwacks in the 1600-1800s came up with looney ideas to to rip off stutterers.Thats like saying cures for fevers or colds don't work just because some qwacks in the '30s sold "miracle cures" on street corners to rip people off

Man you have a really bad attitude problem.You need to straighten up, especially on this forum.

[nate]

Man you have a really bad attitude problem.You need to straighten up, especially on this forum.

I see you've been on that course again. Well at least u know you r getting your moneys worth. The only person here who needs a "hattitude" adjustment is you mate. :D
I'm sorry if I offended u even though it was intentional-at the time. This is a forum where u should be heard and understood. So dont fret, not about me or your speech. Neither of us is that important!:p
Nate

[202]

I see you've been on that course again. Well at least u know you r getting your moneys worth. The only person here who needs a "hattitude" adjustment is you mate. :D
I'm sorry if I offended u even though it was intentional-at the time. This is a forum where u should be heard and understood. So dont fret, not about me or your speech. Neither of us is that important!:p
Nate

where did you get "hattitude" ? Everything in my post was spelled correctly.Either this is another one of your displays of bad typing, or your making up typos to make me look bad.Which is it?

also i see you didn't respond to the rest of my post, because you know I'm right

[nate]

No I know u r wrong, and hattitude is short for HATERS ATTITUDE.;)
Duh!
Nate

[dzango]

To clarify, the Schwartz airflow method is not "to exhale." It is commonly misunderstood, perhaps, because of how teaches?!!?
But, anyway, all human beings exhale when they speak. It is close to impossible to speak while inhaling...or, at the very least, majorly unnatural [try it now- -INHALE and try to speak WHILE breathing in!-- I can't do that, can you ?]

anyhow, airflow has little to do with monitoring anyone's breathing.. It may be poorly named. It has to do with INTENDING to rest prior to speaking...Schwartz has students of airflow [not the FE]-- get an old tape recorder from RAdio Shack--w/ a windscreenless mic--- they breathe normally into it.. When you play back the tape, your breath creates a very distinct/ocean breeze like noise-- He calls "flutter"-- Then, you intend to SPEAK--and you see that flutter goes away.. It's right there on tape; It is indisputable evidence...
When flutter is present [plus slow start], it is physically impossible to block anywhere in your sentence.. flutter must occur each time you take a natural breath out of necessity, before you begin speaking. .so the "trick" is to intend to REST instead of intending to speak.. That gets flutter going--and once you are fluttering, you can speak fine.. You begin speaking--as an afterthought-- It's all about the PRESPEECH posture of your vocal cords-- It's like getting set to REST -- instead of getting set to run a marathon, your leg muscles would tense up differently, right?
--then, the first syllable is spoken as though it were the only syllable you would say--to get off to an easy start w/ only a gradual increase in muscle tension used..
Is this EASY? Nope! Not for most people! Even in practice exercises, students of airflow practice reading a few words at a time into the tape recorder..looking to achieve flutter- For a while, you'll see--that when you think you are airflowing, you're not-- there is no flutter- IT takes practice--a couple of weeks, often-- jsut to be able to sit at home and read an article into the tape recorder--producing accurate flutter plus a slow start each time..
IT takes months--to go out and do it consistently in the real world... SO-- yes, of course, if one goes out and says "Ok, I'll try this-- here comes a difficult situation"-- They are likely to stutter ,get frustrated, and give up on the technique-- That makes perfect sense.. but, did that person master reading w/ techique ? monologuing w/ techinque? and a series of exercises FIRST? Probably not.. and if you can't be consistent w/ technique at home--alone in a room, of course--you wont be in a real-life speaking situation.... You are attempting to undo decades' worth of behavior you've done millions of times--by introducing a NEW behavior --that, at first, might require great concentration but that eventually becomes automatic.. IT is important to resist the temptation to attempt to play at Carnegie HAll when you haven't yet mastered chopsticks at home..
That said, his NEWER program-- which combines a DAF device w/ only the slow start and some other stuff is A LOT faster and eaiser to learn--w/ less room for error.


--then, the first syllable is spoken as though it were the only syllable you would say--

Ok, i have tried this and before. It works but sound very unnatural. Is there some trick that u use, or i am wrong in something?

[202]

--then, the first syllable is spoken as though it were the only syllable you would say--

Ok, i have tried this and before. It works but sound very unnatural. Is there some trick that u use, or i am wrong in something?

no, your right: it does sound unnatural.I don't think its fit for using in real life situations.My speech teacher told me after *years* of practice you just MIGHT be able to be so good with the technique, you'll sound like a slower speaking normal person, but then again you'll never be able to speak how you want with that technique.You'll almost always be forced to use a flat, robotic, monotone voice when using that technique.But hey its better than nothing.I wish so bad i would've stuck with that program over the years: I'd rather have a fluent robot voice than not being able to talk at all(as is the case with me these days :( )

[Host of Chaos]

FUCK YOU your probably one of those self proclaimed "stutterers" that actually dont stutter at all and only have a bit of trouble with a single word.Your such a fucking little douchebag WTF is wrong with you? This forum is for STUTTERERS which means you dont belong here.Know something else? I would take a shot to the neck in in a heartbeat if they developed it.This isnt the '50s anymore, bud.Technology has advanced so far.Second, do you even realize what your talking about? They dont "shoot you in the neck with a gun" like what your trying to say, no, they inject a chemical compound in a certain part of your vocal cords to prevent stuttering forever. And how dare you say im "pathetic, weak willed, or insane"(in laughable kindergarden typing, i might add) you have no idea what real bad stutterers go through on a daily bases. get the fuck out of here

i tellu sumfink mate. if u werent hidin behind a keyboard n said that to me in real life u wud get bitchslapped up n down the road.
so that guy didnt want a jag in his neck.i wudnt either.doesnt mean that u can call him all those names doesit.
i stutter n have bad daysbut never wud itake a jagin the neck.u gonna callme names too?

[nate]

i tellu sumfink mate. if u werent hidin behind a keyboard n said that to me in real life u wud get bitchslapped up n down the road.
so that guy didnt want a jag in his neck.i wudnt either.doesnt mean that u can call him all those names doesit.
i stutter n have bad daysbut never wud itake a jagin the neck.u gonna callme names too?


Tee Hee:D

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT....
man this is a great way to let out pent up frustrations.

Nathaniel (ask about me!)

[osuslp]

hi everyone,
i'm not a pws, but i'm interested in stuttering research (i'm a grad student in speech-language pathology). as to the question of this shot in the neck: yes, it is botox, and there are conflicting studies about how well it works. it's applied to the vocal folds, and basically paralyzes them. the point here is to prevent tension. i would suggest asking your speech therapist (if you're seeing one) about this, since as part of the requirements for staying certified is continuing education.
if you're not seeing an slp (or if you don't want to ask), you can always look these things up in academic/research journals. just go to a library or college library- they usually have these things in stock or filed electronically. here are some recommendations:
journal of fluency disorders
journal of speech and hearing research
journal of speech and language pathology
american journal of speech-language pathology

i hope this helps. i'm not going to pretend i fully understand what all of you are going through, nor am i offering any kind of "expert advice" (i'll leave that up to the experts!), but still i think it's important to stay informed and use all of the available resources.

[andrewg818]

I know where you're coming from. For the first, probably 6 months or so--this was a major concern for myself and others who were becoming fluent w/ me-- In retrospect, we all worried and overanalyzed too much-- I eventually came to the realization that the world didn't care how I sounded when I spoke; only I did.. THAT alone helped psychologically AND w/ naturalness..
A number of things happened along the way--too many to list--but many things further improved naturalness.. Including:
1. TIME--- anything you have to focus on and concentrate to do--may seem "unnatural" at first--If you try WALK a new way, it may seem unnatural, for example-- As it becomes automatic and requires less concentration--- It sounds natural...I'm sure if you watch any of my videos, you'll see I am perfectly natural. It certainly was not always so; at least not in MY mind-- I had the same worries as you in the beginning ...
2. TOASTMASTERS [or similar organization]-- practicing my technique in that setting--creating many different speeches requiring many different types of voices, inflexion, drama, etc;-- led to me to gradually incorporate different things into my technique. See, my technique only involves what I do at the BEGINNING of sentences/after each breath... As I WROTE* speeches, I began to learn more about what sounds natural-- where NATURAL slow starts occur in speeches--and I remember writing them into my speeches-- After some time, I subconsciously just knew what to do-- and put my techique in the most natural places..
3. External compliments.. While it's not usually beneficial in the long-term to rely on the outside world to build you up--hearing from Toastmasters and so many others --that I was a GREAT speaker...helped build me up to believe I not only sounded fine--but, perhaps, better than most fluent people-- winning awards, trophies, contests, and having fluent people ask me to mentor them--further improved my esteem--which, in turn, further improved naturalness.
The end result is this: I believe my videos--and my current speaking show w/out question that you can be SUPER natural w/ technique !

[Host of Chaos]

hi everyone,
i'm not a pws, but i'm interested in stuttering research (i'm a grad student in speech-language pathology). as to the question of this shot in the neck: yes, it is botox, and there are conflicting studies about how well it works. it's applied to the vocal folds, and basically paralyzes them. the point here is to prevent tension. i would suggest asking your speech therapist (if you're seeing one) about this, since as part of the requirements for staying certified is continuing education.
if you're not seeing an slp (or if you don't want to ask), you can always look these things up in academic/research journals. just go to a library or college library- they usually have these things in stock or filed electronically. here are some recommendations:
journal of fluency disorders
journal of speech and hearing research
journal of speech and language pathology
american journal of speech-language pathology

i hope this helps. i'm not going to pretend i fully understand what all of you are going through, nor am i offering any kind of "expert advice" (i'll leave that up to the experts!), but still i think it's important to stay informed and use all of the available resources.

ta 4 sharin that with us mate.never herd of that b4 reedin it ere but itsnot 4 me.

[202]

i tellu sumfink mate. if u werent hidin behind a keyboard n said that to me in real life u wud get bitchslapped up n down the road.
so that guy didnt want a jag in his neck.i wudnt either.doesnt mean that u can call him all those names doesit.
i stutter n have bad daysbut never wud itake a jagin the neck.u gonna callme names too?

God, your typing is so bad it hurts my eyes.Are you from like a third world country perhaps? or just plain stupid? And, actually, your the one hiding behind the keyboard, because i'd take your ass to the ground and beat your face to a bloody pulp. Peice of trash, thinking your a big tough guy when your on the internet. You make me sick

[nate]

God, your typing is so bad it hurts my eyes.Are you from like a third world country perhaps? or just plain stupid? And, actually, your the one hiding behind the keyboard, because i'd take your ass to the ground and beat your face to a bloody pulp. Peice of trash, thinking your a big tough guy when your on the internet. You make me sick

Yo!:eek:
Y r u so mad 202? is it that course again? U need to slow your roll. And there's nothing wrong with the way HOChaos types. Its his mode of expression! Even I can tell he's English and if England was ever a 3rd world country I dont know! He types the way he talks and thats cool. And y would u think that people in 3rd world countries type badly. I'm from a 3rd world country and my typing is better than yours. At least I can spell!
Peice Is this even English!!!???

202, u need to stop this barrage of insults and act like a self respecting person. Its not helping anyone on here and it certainly isnt helping u. So calm the fuck down and relax. Or go see someone. Get some help. Smoke some weed. Have drink. Chill. Coz u really are cruising for a bruising mate.
Nate

[202]

Yo!:eek:
Y r u so mad 202? is it that course again? U need to slow your roll. And there's nothing wrong with the way HOChaos types. Its his mode of expression! Even I can tell he's English and if England was ever a 3rd world country I dont know! He types the way he talks and thats cool. And y would u think that people in 3rd world countries type badly. I'm from a 3rd world country and my typing is better than yours. At least I can spell!
Is this even English!!!???

202, u need to stop this barrage of insults and act like a self respecting person. Its not helping anyone on here and it certainly isnt helping u. So calm the fuck down and relax. Or go see someone. Get some help. Smoke some weed. Have drink. Chill. Coz u really are cruising for a bruising mate.
Nate

There's no way.... did you just say your typing is better than mine?! I now realize your joking around with me.You have to be. one out of every two words you type is spelled incorrectly, and your posts are riddled with disgusting internet lingo such as "lol" "y r u mad?!z1!". Listen here buddy: If your going to insult me, actually insult me in a way that makes sense, not with something you completely pulled out of your ass.You probably dont realize how stupid you look. And that last part of your badly written paragraph, was that a threat?? Man, you really are a joke.

As for what started this, it was YOU who came in my topic and insulted ME and cussed ME out simply because i would take that chemical injected in my vocal cords to stop stuttering.Why on earth cant you see YOU started it? You owe me an apology.

[nate]

There's no way.... did you just say your typing is better than mine?! I now realize your joking around with me.You have to be. one out of every two words you type is spelled incorrectly, and your posts are riddled with disgusting internet lingo such as "lol" "y r u mad?!z1!". Listen here buddy: If your going to insult me, actually insult me in a way that makes sense, not with something you completely pulled out of your ass.You probably dont realize how stupid you look. And that last part of your badly written paragraph, was that a threat?? Man, you really are a joke.

As for what started this, it was YOU who came in my topic and insulted ME and cussed ME out simply because i would take that chemical injected in my vocal cords to stop stuttering.Why on earth cant you see YOU started it? You owe me an apology.

I'd really like to see things from your point of view 202, but I dont have my head that far up my ass.:D
I dont want to insult you, even though I probably just did. Again.
And even if I apologise will it shut u up? I doubt it. U r one of those people that cannot stand other peoples opinions.
As for my typing, no-one else has a problem with it! And as for using internet lingo, hello! We r on the internet!!! In any case I am chef, typing isn't my forte so please excuse me. Ask me about chopping a sack of onions and sauteeing them perfectly!
202 dont b so angry. If u want me to say sorry, I will, Sorry. I'm Sorry for coming into your publicly posted forum thread. I'm Sorry for stating my opinion. I'm Sorry for insulting U-Sorry YOU, and I'm Sorry for typing so badly. Sorry x infinite. And that last part of my badly written paragraph was not a threat. I am not violent. Host Of Chaos is though, he said he would bitchslap u-sorry You up and down the street.:eek: I'd be afraid. Very afraid!
Nathaniel

[202]

I'd really like to see things from your point of view 202, but I dont have my head that far up my ass.:D
I dont want to insult you, even though I probably just did. Again.
And even if I apologise will it shut u up? I doubt it. U r one of those people that cannot stand other peoples opinions.
As for my typing, no-one else has a problem with it! And as for using internet lingo, hello! We r on the internet!!! In any case I am chef, typing isn't my forte so please excuse me. Ask me about chopping a sack of onions and sauteeing them perfectly!
202 dont b so angry. If u want me to say sorry, I will, Sorry. I'm Sorry for coming into your publicly posted forum thread. I'm Sorry for stating my opinion. I'm Sorry for insulting U-Sorry YOU, and I'm Sorry for typing so badly. Sorry x infinite. And that last part of my badly written paragraph was not a threat. I am not violent. Host Of Chaos is though, he said he would bitchslap u-sorry You up and down the street.:eek: I'd be afraid. Very afraid!
Nathaniel

you are so stupid.Stuttering is no excuse to be a complete idiot, like you are.And whose this "host of chaos" character you speak of? I've been in way more fights than that ass clown, i'd kill that fag.Does this third world internet tough guy even know how to throw a punch or wrestle? I think not.I'd embarrass him in front of his friends.Your little hero host of chaos is lucky he can hide behind the internet.You fucking bitch, how old are you anyway? Theres no chance in hell your a grown man, more likely than not your a whiney teenager that comes on here to act tough when he isnt in real life.I bet everyone on this website thinks your a fool, and they feel sorry for you. By the way, using internet lingo is a sure sign of lack of intelligence, its been proven.Your english sucks, too.What country did you say you were from again? Like Cambodia or some country in Africa? Thats probably where your from, since those country's don't even have education, and its clearly obvious you have never had any type of education at all.

[Adrian]

Amazingly, after reading some of these posts, my exchange with Andrew seems very adult. :D

[nate]

Amazingly, after reading some of these posts, my exchange with Andrew seems very adult. :D

Yeah it does doesnt it?
But I'm going to take the high road and ignore the poisonous little toad.:D

[202]

Yeah it does doesnt it?
But I'm going to take the high road and ignore the poisonous little toad.:D


he was referring to you dumbass.